tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10700673.post2108745565894329232..comments2024-01-02T07:55:08.477-08:00Comments on Peregrineo Sojo - Kitty's Kronicle: The Pacifist Jesus And His Warrior GodKitty Chenghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04596390144919647967noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10700673.post-2223875437762192822007-05-11T17:52:00.000-07:002007-05-11T17:52:00.000-07:00Shalom Br.Matthew,'Father God is All Perfection an...Shalom Br.Matthew,<BR/><BR/>'Father God is All Perfection and Omnipotent- obviously this is at variance with what happens here on Mother Earth.'<BR/><BR/>>Why?<BR/><BR/>Greed, cruelty, hatred, evil prospering, the good suffering, intolerable suffering etc., etc...<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>>I believe that in the >crucifixtion, God poured out His wrath on the Lord Jesus Christ, punishing Him with violentMichaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15407139577098233830noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10700673.post-2818964175292100752007-05-03T05:56:00.000-07:002007-05-03T05:56:00.000-07:00Hey Miss Eagle, thanks for your comment, which tau...Hey Miss Eagle, thanks for your comment, which taught me so much. The Quaker Peace Testimony is meaningful!Kitty Chenghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04596390144919647967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10700673.post-41143749066851605562007-05-02T02:23:00.000-07:002007-05-02T02:23:00.000-07:00Back in the 1960s, the challenge for my generation...Back in the 1960s, the challenge for my generation was the war in Vietnam and Australia's participation in it. I read and thought and prayed about this. Out of all this, I became a pacifist and in forty years have seen no reason to change my stance. A study of the life of Jesus - and in particular the Sermon of the Mount - in my view discourages any other attitude. I believe the reason that a Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05972285659958872775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10700673.post-55419262696750305362007-05-01T08:22:00.000-07:002007-05-01T08:22:00.000-07:00I honestly think it depends on whether or not it i...I honestly think it depends on whether or not it is done out of a heart of love. ;-)<BR/><BR/>Being a daddy and a hubby I can't imagine properly loving my family unless I protect them from harm.Kchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02451413357867941720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10700673.post-15132111658176753462007-05-01T08:20:00.000-07:002007-05-01T08:20:00.000-07:00Bruce'Father God is All Perfection and Omnipotent-...Bruce<BR/><BR/>'Father God is All Perfection and Omnipotent- obviously this is at variance with what happens here on Mother Earth.'<BR/><BR/>Why?<BR/><BR/>'If the Will of God permeated the world there would be no evil- or freedom for that matter. So we pray "Thy Will be done."'<BR/><BR/>Certainly, God has granted us the ability to act against His will. But He still has the power to exert His willMatthew Celestinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02874430461346560520noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10700673.post-43190492748067270142007-05-01T07:39:00.000-07:002007-05-01T07:39:00.000-07:00Awwww Kc, you're so kind to me. Do you think that ...Awwww Kc, you're so kind to me. Do you think that resorting to violence to protect me from harm will not be judged / condemned by God? ;)Kitty Chenghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04596390144919647967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10700673.post-91511594427499461342007-05-01T07:38:00.000-07:002007-05-01T07:38:00.000-07:00Bruce & Matthew, your discussions are very interes...Bruce & Matthew, your discussions are very interesting, and have deepened my understanding of this important topic! Thanks brothers!Kitty Chenghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04596390144919647967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10700673.post-33701332078532116422007-05-01T05:48:00.000-07:002007-05-01T05:48:00.000-07:00Kitty I have struggled with this myself. There ar...Kitty I have struggled with this myself. There are certain acts of violence that we know without doubt are unjust and condemned in the scripture but there are also acts of violence that are not condemned. I have concluded that any violent act born out of love for another must be judged by God and not me. As for my own actions I trust God for guidance as necessary. I have no doubt I would Kchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02451413357867941720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10700673.post-79331004868475234032007-04-30T16:00:00.000-07:002007-04-30T16:00:00.000-07:00Peace Br. Matthew,There is a discussion group devo...Peace Br. Matthew,<BR/>There is a discussion group devoted to Tomberg; full of folk more learned than I. So I would leave it to them to thrash out his ideas in full.<BR/><BR/>Father God is All Perfection and Omnipotent- obviously this is at variance with what happens here on Mother Earth.<BR/><BR/>The following goes a little way in explaining:<BR/><BR/> Tsimtsum<BR/><BR/>There is a helpful Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15407139577098233830noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10700673.post-66775480437187540312007-04-30T05:01:00.000-07:002007-04-30T05:01:00.000-07:00Bruce"they prefer a God who is actually almighty t...Bruce<BR/>"they prefer a God who is actually almighty to the crucified God."<BR/><BR/>Do you not believe that God is almighty?<BR/><BR/>Do you think there is some conflict between believing in an almight God and Christ's willingness to go to the cross?Matthew Celestinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02874430461346560520noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10700673.post-20905216734889823732007-04-29T16:42:00.000-07:002007-04-29T16:42:00.000-07:00Hi Kitty,Some words from Valentin Tomberg:"The wor...Hi Kitty,<BR/>Some words from Valentin Tomberg:<BR/>"The worship of the idol of power conceived of as the superman, above all when one identifies oneself with it, is relatively inoffensive - being, fundamentally, infantile. But this is not so with the other category of power worshippers, namely those who project this ideal onto God himself.<BR/>Their faith in God depends on the power of God; if Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15407139577098233830noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10700673.post-58696754016237525942007-04-28T14:00:00.000-07:002007-04-28T14:00:00.000-07:00how does the OT affirm violence?God supports the p...how does the OT affirm violence?<BR/><BR/>God supports the part of Israel in various wars, the right of self defence is affirmed, corporal punishment is affirmed, the death penalty is instituted.<BR/><BR/>'what constitutes appropriate circumstances?'<BR/><BR/>That is a major ethical question.<BR/><BR/>I think most Christians would affirm self-defence and would see some wars as justified. Some Matthew Celestinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02874430461346560520noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10700673.post-76444690618235392252007-04-28T08:21:00.000-07:002007-04-28T08:21:00.000-07:00Hey Matthew, it's so good to hear from you brother...Hey Matthew, it's so good to hear from you brother! How have you been?<BR/><BR/>Yes this is a very controversial issue, and I'm grappling with it still! So in your opinions, how does the OT affirm violence, and what constitutes appropriate circumstances?<BR/><BR/>God Bless!Kitty Chenghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04596390144919647967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10700673.post-17225014961182839972007-04-27T07:58:00.000-07:002007-04-27T07:58:00.000-07:00To see our Lord as a 'pacifist' is to view Him thr...To see our Lord as a 'pacifist' is to view Him through a modern lens.<BR/><BR/>Our Lord affirms the authority of the Old Testament, with its affirmation of violence in appropriate circumstances.<BR/><BR/>At His return, our Lord will use violent force to subdue the kingdoms and armies of this world.<BR/><BR/>Every Blessing in Christ<BR/><BR/>MatthewMatthew Celestinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02874430461346560520noreply@blogger.com